In-depth interview podcast with leading corporate governance experts, including world-class founders, scholars, board members, executives, investors and more. The content is structured as a long-form conversation to explore not only the latest corporate governance trends, but also to get some personal insights from some of the best and brightest minds behind America's boardrooms.
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Andrew Shagrin and David Chekroun: Co-Founders of ICG at ESCP Business School in Paris
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(0:00) Intro (3:27) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (4: 14) Start of interview. (4:56) Drew Shagrin's origin story. (8:12) David Chekroun's origin story. (14:15) About the Institute of Corporate Governance at ESCP Business School, based in Paris. (19:13) The focus of ICG between students, alumni, execs, direct…
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Wolfe Tone & Heather Gates (Deloitte): Insights on Private Company Governance
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(0:00) Intro (1:12) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (1:59) Start of interview. (2:57) Heather Gates' "origin story." (5:17) Wolfe Tone's "origin story." (10:23) On the governance of privately-owned businesses. Distinction with having "outside investors." (15:20) On the nuances of family-owned businesses. *Refe…
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Valeria Café: Leading Governance Innovation in Brazil as IBGC CEO
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(0:00) Intro. (1:20) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:06) Start of interview. (3:20) Valeria's origin story. (6:14) On joining IBGC, its mission and focus: governance training, research, and regulatory work with CVM, B3, Congress, etc. (9:03) On the 25th IBGC Annual Summit. (11:11) On the state of ESG in Bra…
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Barry Lawson Williams: Addressing Board Refreshment—"the Most Pressing Issue in Corporate Governance Today"
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(0:00) Intro. (1:26) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:13) Start of interview. (3:03) Barry's origin story. (7:00) Barry's board journey. (9:39) On distinctions between serving on public and private company boards: "you have the same fiduciary duties." (11:57) Evolution of boards in the last 30-40 years: "the…
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Boardroom Diversity and the Black Corporate Board Readiness Program
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(0:00) Intro. (1:25) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:11) Start of interview. (2:56) Zain Oke's origin story. (5:08) Dianna Jones's origin story. (8:25) Dennis Lanham's origin story. (12:00) How executive education works (as opposed to degree conferring programs) (14:22) On the origin and mission of the Blac…
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Maggie Wilderotter: Strategic Oversight and the Attributes of Great Directors
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(0:00) Intro. (1:30) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:15) Start of interview. (3:05) Maggie's origin story. (7:08) Maggie's board career. Reference to HBS case study on her. On staying on boards between 8-12 years to remain independent. (10:19) On distinctions between serving on public and private company bo…
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Peter Gleason: CEO of NACD on 2024 Board Practices and Oversight Surveys – Trends and Takeaways
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(0:00) Intro. (1:23) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:10) Start of interview. *Reference to prior episode with Peter (E83 from Jan 2023). (3:00) NACD Surveys on Board Practices and Oversight: Private Company Results and Public Company Results. (3:44) 1/ On Technology Oversight: "We are seeing boards go after…
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Cedric Bru: CEO of Taulia (now part of SAP) on Boardroom Dynamics and the Value of Teamwork
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(0:00) Intro. (1:03) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (1:50) Start of interview. (2:24) Cedric's origin story. (4:30) U.S. talent management insights (cultural differences with other countries): current merit. (6:00) On his management career with HP, Visa, and Syncada from Visa (a joint venture between Visa and…
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Yvonne Wassenaar: On Boardroom Dynamics and Trends from Silicon Valley
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(0:00) Intro. (1:03) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (1:50) Start of interview. *Reference to E137 with Coco Brown (CEO of Athena Alliance). (2:47) Yvonne's origin story. (5:49) Her executive career starting with Accenture, and later with VMware, New Relic, and CEO of Airware and Puppet. (9:03) On her board jo…
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Javier Saade: From Capital Formation to Governance, plus his Top of the Game
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(0:00) Intro. (1:15) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:02) Start of interview. (2:49) Javier's origin story. (4:31) The blurring lines between VC and PE. Cross-over investors, growth equity investors, and other "alternative" financing. (9:01) On the capital formation cycle. Impact of interest-rates in capital…
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Carol Hansell: Insights on Modern Governance
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(0:00) Intro. (1:10) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (1:57) Start of interview. (2:30) Carol's origin story. (4:34) Evolution of corporate governance in Canada since the late 1980s. (5:51) The origin and focus of her firm Hansell McLaughlin Advisory Group, based in Canada. (10:13) On her personal board career …
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Oliver Cummings: Unlocking Boardroom Excellence - Insights from Nurole's CEO
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(0:00) Intro. (1:20) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:07) Start of interview. (2:58) Oliver's origin story. (7:00) His experience in private equity with PE-backed boards. (9:57) About the mission and focus of Nurole, the UK-based board search firm where he serves as CEO. (12:27) On Nurole's network of 65,000…
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Thompson Paine (Anthropic): "The Potential of AI Technology is Massive"
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(0:00) Intro. (1:05) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (1:52) Start of interview. (2:28) Thompson's origin story. (3:42) His startup work at Quizlet (joined a 5 person team) and Stripe (from 2k to 8k employees). Joined Anthropic in early 2023. (6:25) On China-US relations, and the course he teaches at Vanderbilt…
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Natasha Allen: Navigating AI Regulation, Exits, and Boardroom Challenges
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(0:00) Intro (1:20) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:06) Start of interview. (2:37) Natasha's "origin story." (6:25) On the risks and opportunities for AI. (8:39) On the regulatory landscape of AI in the US. Reference to President Biden's Executive Order. (11:40) On California's regulation of AI (SB 1047). (…
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Tyler Shultz: Theranos Whistleblower on Fraud and Startup Governance in Silicon Valley
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(0:00) Intro (1:06) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (1:53) Start of interview. (2:37) Tyler's "origin story." (4:50) His beginnings at Theranos. (7:07) On the culture of the Theranos, "the company was extremely secretive and paranoid." (9:41) On the lack of equity compensation for Theranos employees. (10:32) O…
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Ilya Strebulaev: Venture Mindset Takeaways for Board Members.
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(0:00) Intro. (1:39) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:25) Start of interview. Reference to E21 with Ilya Strebulaev from October 2020. (4:01) On why he wrote his book The Venture Mindset: for decision makers in large organizations. (5:37) About the first principle: Home Runs Matter, Strikeouts Don’t. Make sm…
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Greg LaBlanc: "It's Really Hard to be a Good Board Member"
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(0:00) Intro. (1:19) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:05) Start of interview. (2:58) Greg's "origin story." (5:31) His teaching focus. (8:04) Discussion on startups and venture capital and the era of AI. Behavioral finance and bubbles. (11:17) Bubbles in private (VC and PE) and public markets. (15:12) Stayin…
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Jennifer Dulski: "To Join (Your First) Public Board, Someone Needs to Bet on You"
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(0:00) Intro. (1:21) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:08) Start of interview. (2:41) Jennifer's "origin story." (3:41) Founding a non-profit at the start of her career: Breakthrough Pittsburgh. (4:15) The start of her tech career with Yahoo! (7:12) Her roles post Yahoo!: founding and selling The Dealmap to G…
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Sonita Lontoh: On Board Culture, Innovation, and Creative Tension
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(0:00) Intro. (1:24) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:12) Start of interview. (4:04) Sonita's "origin story." (5:45) Her professional career, starting with a startup in the gaming industry. (8:15) Her guiding principles for her career at the intersection of innovation, sustainability and digital transformati…
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Coco Brown: Founder & CEO of Athena Alliance on Board Opportunities and Governance.
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(0:00) Intro. (1:14) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:02) Start of interview. (2:37) Coco's "origin story." (4:32) Her professional background with HR, comp and IT. (6:32) Her time at Taos, a professional services business in IT consulting (17yrs). Ultimately acquired by IBM in 2021. (8:35) The origin story …
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Greg Gretsch: On Founder and Investor Trends from Silicon Valley.
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(0:00) Intro. (1:17) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:03) Start of interview. (3:08) Greg's "origin story." (6:53) From the University of Georgia to Apple in Cuppertino. (10:50) The start of his entrepreneurial journey in 1992 with his first company. (13:03) The boom and bust cyclical nature of Silicon Valle…
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Patrick Gadson: Shareholder Activism in 2024 and its Evolving Dynamics.
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(0:00) Intro. (1:23) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:10) Start of interview. (2:40) Patrick's "origin story." (3:41) His time at Skadden and Olshan Frome Wolosky (leading shareholder activism legal practice). (4:38) Joining Vinson & Elkins to co-build shareholder activism practice. (6:40) Distinguishing bet…
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Leah Solivan: The Entrepreneur's Journey to the Boardroom.
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(0:00) Intro. (1:10) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (1:57) Start of interview. (2:40) Leah's "origin story." (3:41) Her time at IBM. (4:48) Her founding story of TaskRabbit (Boston, 2008). (12:43) The evolution of her board at TaskRabbit, and how to think about (startup) board composition and scaling. (20:31)…
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Jeffrey Saviano (EY): "I Feel Strongly That We Need a Hippocratic Oath for AI"
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(0:00) Intro. (1:10) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (1:58) Start of interview. (2:43) His role at EY and appointments at Harvard's Safra Center for Ethics (ELSCE), MIT and Boston University. (5:23) Defining AI. Reference to the 1956 Dartmouth AI conference. (8:29) GAI, AI market and valuations. (11:31) On AI …
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Amy Banse: On Board Dynamics and Listening Through Company Stages.
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(0:00) Intro. (1:12) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:00) Start of interview. (3:10) Amy's "origin story." (6:23) Her time leading Comcast Ventures, and how Corporate Venture Capital (CVC) has evolved. (9:08) Why SF/Silicon Valley as a tech hub for Comcast Ventures. (11:19) Her first public company board exp…
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Teresa Johnson: On ESG, Boardroom Diversity, and Truth to Power.
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(0:00) Intro. (1:04) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (1:51) Start of interview. (2:54) Terry's "origin story." (5:18) The start of her legal career with O'Melveny & Myers. (8:35) Her time at Howard Rice and her current role at Arnold & Portner (the firms merged in 2012). (11:34) Her book ESG, the Professional'…
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Mary Inman: On Theranos, Meta and Representing High Profile Whistleblowers.
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(0:00) Intro. (1:27) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:14) Start of interview. (3:30) Mary's "origin story." (5:32) Her start as a whistleblower lawyer at Philips & Cohen. The advent of US Whistleblower reward programs (CFTC, SEC, IRS, Transportation, Treasury, and DOJ soon). (7:50) The Theranos case and her …
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Katherine Henderson and Amy Simmerman: 2023 Delaware Corporate Law and Litigation Year in Review
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(0:00) Intro (1:02) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (1:49) Start of interview. (2:37) Katherine Henderson's "origin story." (5:05) Amy Simmerman's "origin story." (8:02) The origin and focus of their Delaware Corporate Law and Litigation Year in Review. (9:14) Caseload of Delaware Court of Chancery judges. (12…
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Vice Chancellor J. Travis Laster of the Delaware Court of Chancery: Ten Years of Trados, A Discussion of Fiduciary Duties.
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(0:00) Intro. (2:27) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (3:13) Start of interview. [Interviewer: UC Law SF Professor Abe Cable. Reference to his article "Does Trados Matter?" (2019)]. (4:17) Summary of the Trados case by Vice-Chancellor Laster. (9:44) Concept of "residual value maximization." Distinguishing betwe…
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Alexandre Rangel: Institutional Investors' Engagement in Latin America.
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(0:00) Intro. (1:10) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (1:57) Start of interview. (4:00) Alexandre's "origin story." His time as Commissioner of the Brazilian Securities and Exchange Commission (CVM) (2020-2023). (7:34) On his OECD background note on Institutional Investors' Engagement in Latin America (2023). (…
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Richard Blake: WSGR's 2023 Silicon Valley 150 Corporate Governance Report.
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(0:00) Intro. (0:55) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (1:41) Start of interview. (2:21) Richard's "origin story." His position as Chair of WSGR's public company practice and Chair of the Nasdaq Listing and Hearing Review Council. (7:30) On the origins and focus of WSGR's 2023 Silicon Valley 150 Corporate Govern…
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Scott Kupor: Navigating the VC and Startup Governance Landscape in 2024.
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(0:00) Intro. (1:36) About this podcast's sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:23) Start of interview. (3:33) On the collapse of SVB and its impact to Silicon Valley and the VC industry. (9:05) On the state of private markets. *Reference to Aileen Lee's post on Unicorn update (2013-2024). (14:35) How VCs are approaching tough con…
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Nicolas Darveau-Garneau: "The Greatest AI Risk is Inaction."
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(0:00) Intro. (1:28) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:14) Start of interview. (3:09) Nick's "origin story." (6:36) On his first startup IMix.com (focused on music streaming) (7:55) His pivot as an equity analyst at Sanford Bernstein. (8:32) His focus on investing in and advising internet companies. (9:56) Hi…
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Joe Grundfest: "The Biggest Governance Trend for 2024 is the Corporation as a Piñata."
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(0:00) Intro. (2:21) About this podcast's sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (3:08) Start of interview. (3:50) On collapse of SVB & other banks. Lessons for board members. *Reference to video from Stanford Rock Center (12:00) On the state of private markets and unicorns. Downturn and shutdowns in VC-backed startups. *Per Pitchbook…
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Elizabeth Pollman and Yifat Aran: Ousted, Startup Failure and Equity Compensation in the Unicorn Era.
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(0:00) Intro. (1:28) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:15) Start of interview. (3:16) Yifat's "origin story." (6:20) Yifat's bio and positions at the University of Haifa and Technion - Israel Institute of Technology. (8:00) About Elizabeth Pollman, Professor at the Penn Carey Law School at the U. of Pennsylva…
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Larry Clinton: "The Essence of Cybersecurity is that All the Incentives Favor the Bad Guys."
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(0:00) Intro. (1:21) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:08) Start of interview. (2:49) Larry's "origin story." (4:49) About the Internet Security Alliance (ISA). Founded in 2000 by former Congressman Dave McCurdy, former chairman of the House Intelligence Committee. Larry joined as CEO from the beginning. "The…
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Joe Nocera and Kate O'Leary: Unpacking HBO's Succession (Season 4).
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*Prior episodes reviewing Succession: Season 1: E98 (May 22, 2023) Season 2: E102 (June 26, 2023) Season 3: E109 (Sept 11 , 2023) 0:00 -- Intro. 2:12-- About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. 2:58 -- Start of interview. 3:54 -- On the influence and leadership style of Logan Roy. The "ultimate corporate governance chal…
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Ker Gibbs: On Geopolitics and US-China Relations.
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0:00 -- Intro. 1:26-- About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. 2:13 -- Start of interview. 3:47 -- Ker's "origin story." 7:41 -- His history with the American Chamber of Commerce in Shanghai (AmCham). 9:42 -- About his book “Selling to China. Stories of Success, Failure and Constant Change.” (2023). "We felt that it wa…
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John Coates: The Problem of Twelve, Index Funds and Private Equity.
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0:00 -- Intro. 1:26-- About this podcast's sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. 2:13 -- Start of interview. 2:45 -- John's "origin story." His time at WLRK and at the SEC. 4:15 -- His focus at Harvard Law School and Harvard Business School. 4:39 -- About his book THE PROBLEM OF TWELVE: When a Few Financial Institutions Control Every…
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Abby Adlerman: On Board Oversight, Accountability, Risk Mitigation and Strategy (OARS).
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0:00 -- Intro. 1:14-- About this podcast's sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. 2:09 -- Start of interview. 2:41 -- Abby's "origin story." 4:11 -- Her time at Hambrecht & Quist. Distinctions between IPO market in the 1990s and the current environment. Her time as a CEO of a venture-backed e-commerce company. Her time at Russell Reyn…
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Private Companies and Startup Governance: with Evan Epstein, Heidi Roizen and Dan Siciliano.
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0:00 -- Intro. 1:27 -- About this podcast's sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. 2:23 -- Intro of Webinar (and speakers) by Nancy Easterbrook, Executive Director of SVDX. 5:33 -- Start of webinar by Dan Siciliano, Chair of SVDX. 6:40 -- Some differences between private (VC-backed) and public boards. 9:23 -- The role of independent d…
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Julie Daum: "The Aging of U.S. Boards and Lack of Turnover is a Real Issue."
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0:00 -- Intro. 1:11-- About this podcast's sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. 2:08 -- Start of interview. 2:47 -- Julie's "origin story." She started her work with boards in the early 1980s with Catalyst (a non-profit women's organization whose mission is to promote women in corporate America). 5:46 -- Now she's leading the Board …
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Mauro Cunha: Governance and Board Experience from Brazil.
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0:00 -- Intro. 1:38-- About this podcast's sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. 2:34 -- Start of interview. 3:13 -- Mauro's "origin story." 4:11 -- About AMEC, and his time as CEO of the organization (2012-2017). Prior, he was Chairman of IBGC (2008-2010). "My first mission as CEO of AMEC was to become the first independent director…
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Brian Stafford, CEO of Diligent: "Companies That Do ESG The Right Way, Tie It Back To Their Strategy."
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0:00 -- Intro. 1:21-- About this podcast's sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. 2:17 -- Start of interview. 2:49 -- Brian's "origin story." He founded a startup that sold cars online in the dot com era (CarOrder) based out of Austin TX. He later worked at McKinsey & Co. From there he moved to Diligent as CEO. 6:17 -- The history, mi…
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Joyce Cacho: "ESG Provides An Opportunity To Do Some Hard Work."
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0:00 -- Intro. 1:10 -- About new podcast sponsor American College of Governance Counsel. 2:28 -- Start of interview. 3:17 -- Joyce's "origin story" 5:22 -- Joyce's academic focus and executive career before joining boards of directors. 8:12 -- On her board journey. "It began with non-profit board work." On serving in different types of boards. "The…
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Suzanne Brown: The NYSE Board Diversity Initiative.
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0:00 -- Intro. 1:43 -- Start of interview. 2:11 -- Suzanne's "origin story" "One of my proudest jobs was working with the NJ Pandemic Relief Fund" 14:12 -- Joining the NYSE Board Diversity Initiative. *reference to Chief ("the only private membership network focused on connecting and supporting women executive leaders") 15:22 -- Three key NYSE ESG …
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Victor Arias: "Boards Are Looking For Strong Core Values: Integrity, Ethics, Leadership and Judgment."
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0:00 -- Intro. 2:02 -- Start of interview. 3:02 -- Victor's "origin story" 5:30 -- Joining Stanford University's Board of Trustees, and later the board of Popeye’s Louisiana Kitchen (NASDAQ: PLKI). 9:06 -- His current position as Managing Director and Practice Leader, Consumer and Retail at Diversified Search Group, working primarily in the Board o…
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HBO’s Succession with Sean Berkowitz and Kate O’Leary (Season 3)
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0:00 -- Intro. *reference to our episodes reviewing Succession Season 1: E98 of this podcast (May 22, 2023) and Season 2: E102 (June 26, 2023). 2:00 -- Start of interview. 3:50 -- About Sean Berkowitz and the Enron Case: prosecuting Ken Lay and Jeff Skilling (2006). 7:05 -- On whistleblowers and avoiding retaliation. "Whistleblowers are one of the …
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Heidi Roizen: On Startup Governance and The Startup Solution.
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(0:00) Intro. (1:35) Start of interview. *Link to our first episode: E6 from June 2020. (2:18) On the origin story of her new podcast: The Startup Solution with Heidi Roizen. (4:23) The Case of the Boardroom Blow-Up. How entrepreneurs should go from 'pitching' to 'partnering' with their investors. "Entrepreneurs get stuck in pitch mode." On terms "…
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David Larcker and Brian Tayan on "The Art and Practice of Corporate Governance."
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0:00 -- Intro. 1:38 -- Start of interview. 2:26 -- On the origin story of their latest book: "The Art and Practice of Corporate Governance." 7:32 -- About the Boeing 737Max case. The cultural shift. "Safety was just a given." 12:29 -- About Netflix's "Radical Transparency in the Boardroom." Reference to their 2010 case study "Equity on Demand, the …
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