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The Art Law Podcast

Steven Schindler & Katie Wilson-Milne

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The Art Law Podcast hosts discussions about topics at the intersection of art and law with art lawyers Steve Schindler and Katie Wilson-Milne and their distinguished guests.
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To learn more, please visit Angie Elita Newell's site for All I See Is Violence. Show Notes: 1:20 Newel’s background 4:00 impetus to address historic inaccuracies 4:50 women warriors 5:30 research process 7:20 perspectives decided on for All I See Is Violence 8:45 interconnectedness of all 10:15 timelines within All I See Is Violence 11:50 reading …
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Steve and Katie speak with Italian lawyer Giuseppe Calabri and art historian Sharon Hecker about Italy’s cultural patrimony laws granting state institutions control over the use of images of cultural property long in the public domain. They discuss the legal, ethical, and practical issues with such laws and their specific application to uses of the…
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Cover Photo by Nils Paellmann 0:00 Restitution Study Group (RSG) Executive Director Deadria Farmer-Paellmann 1:30 overview of suit and issues raised 4:30 Prof. Tobias Skowronek’s findings on the metals contained in the manillas 7:00 Dismissal of suit against Smithsonian based on mootness 7:55 court order that Plaintiffs conceded points and waived a…
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Steve and Katie talk with their colleague, Tom Kline, about the Nazi’s program of remaking European culture, the enormous theft and displacement of art that occurred as part of that program, and the efforts of the heirs of Jews displaced during World War II to reclaim art and cultural property. The discussion focuses on the Washington Principles, t…
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To learn more, please visit Fast Familiar's site. Show Notes: 0:00 Briscoe discussing justice 1:20 Briscoe’s background in theatre and co-founding Fast Familiar 3:15 2015 project ‘Invisible Treasure’ about systems of power 4:40 2018 began work with computational artist Joe McAlister 5:20 technological solutions for use in projects 6:30 The Justice …
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To learn more, please visit Laura Morelli's site. Show Notes: 0:00 Laura Morelli discussing the WWII era art looting 1:15 genesis of writing about the looting of Florentine art collections in The Last Masterpiece 2:45 German Jewish artist Rudolph Levy as guest of German Art History Institute 4:30 Stolperstein for Levy 5:00 perspectives in WWII Ital…
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To learn more, please visit Barbara Hinske's website. Cover photo of Barbara Hinske, 2020 Jean Laninga Creative. Show Notes: 0:00 Guiding Emily Series to effect change for good in the sighted community 1:15 background in engineering and the law 2:00 whodunit books by Barbara’s father 2:25 double vision by auto accident led to Rosemont series 3:55 h…
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Katie and Steve speak with colleague Eden Burgess about the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act (NAGPRA), its history, purpose, and requirements to repatriate cultural property and human remains to Native American tribes and Native Hawaiian Organizations, as well as new regulations that are leading major museums to remove or clos…
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Featuring excerpts from Episode 108, an interview with Dr. Ashfaq Ishaq, and Episode 105, an interview with Milena Chorna, with musical composition by Toulme, Copyright 2024. Many thanks to M.C. Sungaila who sparked the idea for "Manifestation of Freedom". Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com To hear more …
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Katie and Steve take a deep dive into the history and current status of the Parthenon Marbles with Alexander Herman, director of the Institute of Art and Law in London and author of the recent book The Parthenon Marbles Dispute: Heritage, Law, Politics. Notes for this episode: https://artlawpodcast.com/2024/03/04/the-parthenon-marbles-dispute/ Foll…
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Show Notes: 0:00 M.C. Sungaila discussing history / preservation of space exploration 1:50 Sungaila’s Portia Project Podcast interview with Space Law Expert Michelle Hanlon 2:45 Sungaila’s experience with University of Mississippi School of Law’s Air and Space Program 5:30 unclear language related to space law 8:00 mining on the moon 9:40 lessons f…
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Cover image by Nosrat Tarighi of Sanjay Sethi at an AFI event entitled Revolutions and Movements To learn more, please visit the sites for Artistic Freedom Initiative and Sethi & Mazaheri, LLC. Show Notes: 2:00 overview of Sethi’s background and work as Founding Partner of Sethi & Mazaheri, LLC and Co-Executive Director of Artistic Freedom Initiati…
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Katie and Steve discuss three recent litigation updates. They discuss the outcome of the trial in the case brought by Dmitry Rybolovlev against Sotheby’s for aiding in the alleged fraud of Yves Bouvier, the most recent Richard Prince fair use copyright infringement cases brought by two photographers, and the Ninth Circuit decision applying Spanish …
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Show Notes: 2:00 Dr. Joanna Sliwa’s background 4:20 Dr. Elizabeth White’s background 5:20 Majdanek concentration camp 8:00 1989 - White received the manuscript of Dr. Janina Mehlberg’s unpublished memoir from Dr. Arthur Funk 10:30 Dr. Janina Mehlberg’s humanitarian work in Polish concentration camp during WWII 12:20 Mehlberg’s alias as Countess Suc…
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Show Notes: 1:00 overview of thesis topic 3:00 2018 music video at the Louvre by Beyoncé and Jay Z 3:55 Advertising campaign by Louis Vuitton that featured Joan Mitchell paintings 6:00 2020 Uffizi promotional campaign to promote Botticelli exhibition 7:25 Uffizi’s TikTok account posting with Dua Lipa 8:10 criticism of Uffizi campaigns 9:20 Approach…
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Steve and Katie take a look at the many developments around generative AI and fine art, including debates and litigation on copyrightability and infringement as well as the policy concerns surrounding increased use of generative AI to create artworks. Notes for this episode: http://artlawpodcast.com/2024/01/09/2023-ai-and-art-wrap-up/ Follow the Ar…
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To learn more, please have a look at Dr. Ercolani's book, The Maidan Museum: Preserving the Spirit of Maidan. Show Notes: 1:00 Ercolani’s background 3:50 Ercolani’s focus of Ukraine 6:40 research and writing The Maidan Museum: Preserving the Spirit of Maidan 11:40 new Maidan language created that includes symbols 14:45 portraits by Marina Sochenko …
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Featuring excerpts from Episode 121, an interview with Dr. Samson Munn and musical composition by Toulme, Copyright 2023. Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website. Music by Toulme. To view rewards for supporting the podcast, please vi…
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Cover Photo of David Newhoff by Sean Mekas To learn more, please visit Mr. Newhoff's site as well as his blog, The Illusion of More. Show Notes: 1:45 Newhoff’s background 4:15 impetus to write Who Invented Oscar Wilde?: The Photograph at the Center of Modern American Copyright? 6:15 SCOTUS’s Warhol decision 10:00 Sarony’s input compared with and AI…
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Katie and Steve talk with renowned art lawyer Pierre Valentin about the EU’s new and striking import regulations on cultural goods, including fine art and cultural property, that prohibit the import of applicable items not created in the EU into the EU if they cannot be shown to have been legally exported from their countries of origin. We discuss …
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Cover Image: Self-Portrait, oil on canvas by Jacob Mącznik. To learn more, please visit the website for Jacob Mącznik, the Lost Art Database page for Mącznik's Still Life with Fish, The Austrian Encounter and the trailer to The Ghosts of the Third Reich. Show Notes: 0:00 Dr. Samson Munn discussing Van Ham art auctionhouse 1:45 Munn’s background 2:5…
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Show Notes: 0:00 Yelena Khajekian 1:30 Warhol v Goldsmith decision by SCOTUS 3:00 USCO NOI’s Question 8 4:00 Google LLC v. Oracle America, Inc., 593 U.S. ___ (2021) 4:20 liability question 4:45 Emily Gould - fair use 6:30 Alan Robertshaw - Warhol court’s focus on use of the work 7:50 Khajekian - artists’ perspective on Warhol decision 9:00 Campbell…
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Steve and Katie talk with their colleague Tom Kline about his client, the Massachusetts Charitable Mechanic Association (MCMA), and its decades-long quest to reclaim the dramatic marble statue The Wounded Indian by Peter Stephenson, modeled after the Roman sculpture The Dying Gaul. MCMA was founded by Paul Revere in 1795 and was gifted the statue i…
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Cover art: Martha Szabo, Rooftops in Snow 11, oil on linen, 24 x 35 in., circa 1964 To learn more, please visit the sites for Martha Szabo and MSeum. Show Notes: 0:00 Art historian Kathleen Hulser 1:30 Journalist Julia Szabo’s motivation to work on Martha Szabo’s body of work 4:30 MSeum to be built in the Catskills 5:00 National Association of Wome…
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Cover art by Donald "C-Note" Hooker: top image "Cell Time" (2019); bottom image "During the Flood" (2017) To learn more, please visit the sites for Donald "C-Note" Hooker and Art for Redemption. Show Notes: 0:00 Anna D. Smith discussing C-Note Hooker’s artwork entitled “During the Flood” 1:20 Smith’s background 3:15 Smith’s work as a court advocate…
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To learn more and support Vacant to Visual artists, please visit the CityKey website. To reach out and learn more about Ernest Chrappah's work, please visit his website. Show notes: 0:00 Ernest Chrappah 1:10 Chrappah’s background 4:00 Washington DC’s Vacant to Visual program 9:00 artists included in the Vacant to Visual program 9:50 Nia Keturah Cal…
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To learn more, please visit the website for the #lastseen project. SHOW NOTES: 0:00 Katharina Menschick on the response to #lastseen project 3:00 Menschick – research associate in Arolsen Archives’ historical research department dealing with digital memory projects, digital archival projects and archival theory 3:20 Dr. Christoph Kreutzmüller – his…
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Steve and Katie speak with Dr. Carina Popovici, CEO and Founder of Art Recognition, an art and technology startup that uses AI systems to evaluation the authenticity of artworks. They discuss the problems with authentication in the traditional art market and the promise and limitations of AI in solving these problems along with some real-world exam…
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SHOW NOTES: 0:00 Alan Robertshaw 1:00 Emily Gould - overview of AI historical development 2:30 first phase - 1950s Alan Turing - machines do what they are told 3:10 second phase - machine learning creating models using data and develop methods to make decisions / predictions based on that data 3:50 third phase - deep learning usually using neural n…
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To learn more, please visit the sites for Sojourn Theatre, One Nation/One Project, and the Undoing Time: Art and Histories of Incarceration exhibition. Cover Photograph: "Rohd co-facilitating an arts convening in Boston this past fall with Nicole Brewer and musicians from Silkroad Ensemble" Show Notes: 3:45 Rohd’s background 4:50 'Hope is Vital' pr…
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To learn more, please visit the websites for Jeremy Richter, J.W. Judge, Scarlet Oak Press and The Write Approach podcast. Show Notes: 1:00 Commercial litigation practice with Gordon Rees 4:00 Sustainable marketing and branding with writing law blog 5:00 Speaking and presenting at conferences on legal topics 5:20 Writing legal non-fiction on case m…
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Cover art After World War III, 2020, oil on board, 60 cm x 80 cm, by Farook Mohammed To learn more, please visit the website for the Afro Arabian Empire. Show Notes: 00:45 Pan-African mission of his artwork that combines the diversity of Africa 2:30 artwork to promote brotherhood and unity for Africa and the world 8:00 artwork tells stories that in…
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Katie and Steve speak with WIPO economists Alexander Cuntz and Matthias Sahli about their recent article, Intermediary liability and trade in follow-on innovation, published in the Journal of Cultural Economics in February 2023. Their research looks at how intermediaries in the art market altered their behavior after the Second Circuit’s decision i…
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To learn more: 18 April 2023 UK Parliament's Digital, Culture, Media and Sport Committee regarding NFTs and the blockchain, Emily Gould's correspondence following the hearing on several issues touched on by the Committee; and NFT-related posts on the IAL Blog. Show Notes: 1:15 Beeple sold ”Everydays — The First 5000 Days” for $69 million 2:45 The A…
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To learn more, please visit the websites for the Max Stern Restitution Project, the HEAR Act, the Second Circuit's decision in Zuckerman v. The Metropolitan Museum of Art, the Zurückgeben Foundation and Almost Lost: the Heinemann Legacy (Before, During, and After the Holocaust). Show Notes: 1:30 Max Stern Art Restitution Project 2:30 Dr. Max Stern …
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Katie and Steve talk to Philippa Loengard, copyright expert and Director of the Kernochan Center for Law, Media and the Arts at Columbia Law School, about the much-anticipated Supreme Court decision in Andy Warhol Foundation v. Goldsmith, which resets and limits the applicability of “transformative” fair use as an exception to copyright infringemen…
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Cover image by Stephen Tromans: Climate Innocence, 1957, oil on board, 20x24 inches To view Stephen Tromans' work, please visit Mr. Tromans' website and Instagram as well as Ely Cathedral's feature of his Golgotha series, the Cambridge Drawing Society's discussion of his work and the Gallery Holt. Show Notes: 1:30 Troman’s choice to go into law, sp…
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To learn more, please visit the sites for International Child Art Foundation, World Children's Festival and the International Child Arts Olympiad (with coming plans for the Paris 2024 Olympics ). Show Notes: 2:30 children’s creativity 3:30 empathy needed due to moral neutrality of creativity 4:30 adverse childhood experiences 5:20 transgenerational…
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Please visit the following links to learn more: Queen Mary’s LLM in Art, Business and Law and the Institute of Art and Law. Show Notes: 1:00 Stephanie Drawdy - introduction 1:20 Emily Gould - overview of the Institute of Art and Law (IAL) 5:20 Gould’s background 7:35 careers in art law practice 9:35 Janan Foster - background and experience with Art…
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"Exposed" musical composition by Toulme, Copyright 2023. Cover art: excerpt from Consequence, oil on panel, Stephanie Drawdy, copyright 2022. The following are the featured episode excerpts from Warfare of Art and Law: Episode 38: Glance at Culture - Defiant Requiem: Maestro Murry Sidlin on Terezín Concentration Camp, Verdi's Requiem, the Arts & So…
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To learn more, please visit the website for Ukraine's War Museum. Cover photo by Viktor Byshev of the Church of the Nativity of the Holy Virgin in Peremoha that Russians attacked and damaged. Left in the photo is Dr. Yurii Savchuk and right is the clergyman from the Church, Oleksandr Yarmolchyk. Show Notes: 1:30 National Museum of the History of Uk…
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Katie and Steve talk to attorney Emily Poler, founder of Poler Legal, about the recent lawsuit between the iconic French fashion house Hermès and an NFT creator, Mason Rothschild, over Rothschild’s “MetaBirkin” NFTs. Hermès claimed that Rothschild infringed Hermès’ trademark in the name “Birkin.” Hermès prevailed on this claim (and others) in a jur…
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Cover Image by Diane Allford To learn more, please visit the sites for Randall Horton and Radical Reversal. Show Notes: 00:00 Dr. Randall Horton’s work in poetry 02:00 Dr. Horton’s work as poet/writer, professor of English at University of New Haven, system-impacted 03:10 Chicago State’s MFA program 03:20 Definition of Place by Horton 03:30 PhD in …
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To learn more and view their work, please visit the sites for Stefania Salles Bruins, Nnebundo Obi and Geoffrey Stein. 0:00 Artist and attorney Geoff Stein describing his collage work 2:00 Artist and attorney Stefania Salles Bruins describes genesis of theme for “Portraits As Still Lives” group show 3:45 Stephanie Drawdy on her work for the group s…
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Cover art - The Scream, fingerprint ink on police print card done in thumb print, 2" x 1-1/4", 2004 copyright Charles Vincent Sabba The following are links for Charles Sabba's artwork, blog and articles with La Voce di New York. Show Notes 0:00 Sabba’s great-grandfather 3:45 retired police captain 4:15 duCret School of Art in Plainfield, NJ 4:50 19…
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Steve and Katie speak with Amy Whitaker about her new book with Nora Burnett Abrams, The Story of NFTs: Artists, Technology and Democracy. Amy describes her vision for the promise of NFTs for artists and a more equitable art market and discusses the democratic incentives NFTs create in this world. They discuss NFTs in the context of the current mom…
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"Restoration" musical composition by Toulme, Copyright 2023. Cover art: excerpt from Consequence, oil on panel, Stephanie Drawdy, copyright 2022. The following are the featured episode excerpts from Warfare of Art and Law: Episode 34: Professor Ziva Amishai-Maisels Episode 48: Columbia Law School's Inaugural Artist-In-Residence Bayeté Ross Smith Ep…
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To learn more, please visit the website for Dr. Suzanne Evans. Show Notes: 0:00 Suzanne Evans’ hope for the legacy she is creating to tell and compel more women’s stories 1:35 Evans’ degree in philopshy lead to teaching English in China 2:30 Evans’ writing themes are women in Canada and women in war and religion 2:40 Canadian International Developm…
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Cover photo of Rick Allen - copyright Cindy Burnham, Lucky Shot Productions To learn more, please visit Escapist Magazine's coverage about the copyright suit surrounding Queen Anne's Revenge and the U.S. Supreme Court's March 2020 decision in Allen, et al. v. Cooper, Governor of North Carolina, et al. Show Notes: September 2022 2ND Saturday Discuss…
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"Exposed" musical composition by Toulme, Copyright 2023. Cover art: excerpt from Consequence, oil on panel, Stephanie Drawdy, copyright 2022. The following are the featured episode excerpts from Warfare of Art and Law: Episode 38: Glance at Culture - Defiant Requiem: Maestro Murry Sidlin on Terezín Concentration Camp, Verdi's Requiem, the Arts & So…
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