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×Send us a text Danny: Yeah, I don't remember why I had dad's journal. If he, don't know if he, he didn't ask me to take a look at it, but I don't know why I must've been digging around, rooting around through his stuff or something, but I was moved by the poem. As the guys wrap up this season, Michael, Danny and Kevin discuss future projects, disc golf and the poem One Of These Days that Danny's dad, Ted Stephens penned.…
Send us a text Michael: And Hampton was like, I want to let this go as long as we possibly can. He's like, I want to anticipate that moment where somebody's like, like you would if you were listening to vinyl and you felt like the needle had gotten stuck, you're gonna wait and wait and wait, okay, it's stuck, I'm gonna get up and move it. And he's like, at the point where they reach for the fast forward button or the next button, he's like, that's where we're gonna cut it. Michael, Danny and Kevin share what they're up to now (along with Miguel and Kevin as well as the the book of Proverbs that inspired Michael and Miguel to pen the song, Garland of Grace .…
Send us a text Michael: It's okay if people mislabel you. It's okay if people don't get what you're doing. You've got a lot of room to grow. And there's a God that created a great big universe. On this episode, the guys in Smalltown Poets break down Quasar, including that introduction, you know,....this one: "You listening out there are going to hear sounds that are a little different from what you're accustomed to. Well, let me remind you: in front of me in the studio and in front of you coming directly through your radio are five young men who have been called by God,.... New episodes each Monday.…
Send us a text Danny: On one of our more recent records, we've got a song called Say Hello, where we have all these Easter eggs in our lyrics where we pay homage to Keith Green and White Heart and Petra and all the early rockers like DeGarmo & Key. On this episode, Danny Stephens, Kevin Breuner and Michael Johnston talk about the influence and contribution of their label head, Dana Key had as well as their confessional song, New Man . New episodes each Monday.…
Send us a text Michael: It was not something that the record company was looking for at the time. I just to be, I think to be quite candid about it, I think the idea was, hey, we want to get a song or a couple of songs that we think we could get on more adult contemporary stations. Danny: Yes, that's right. The guys in Smalltown Poets discuss the influences of David Wicox (as it relates to their cover of Hold It Up To The Light ) and Peter Gabriel as well as the disappearance of themes in albums. New episodes release each Monday.…
Send us a text Michael: One image in particular, I just couldn't get away from it was the kid with the magnifying glass up to his mouth.... This week, Danny, Kevin and Michael talk about Calcutta, India and the impact a boys home had on the making of the record, including an old Sunday School song written over 160 years ago. All that plus their song, The Gospel Is Peace . New episodes release each Monday.…
Send us a text Danny: I think the story that goes with this one is that we were,...was this the night that Kevin, you and I were walking through the park in San Francisco that's right by the Golden Gate Bridge and we were,... Kevin: When we thought we were going to die. We thought that was our last night. This week, the guys talk about some of their favorite musical influences growing up as well as the Danny Stephens-penned ballad, Long, Long Way . New episodes release each Monday.…
Send us a text Michael: I don't want to throw anybody under the bus, but just something that you said reminded me of something that was kind of happening in the background while we were writing this record. This week, Danny talks about the influence that CCM artist, Keith Green while the guys discuss their songwriting process as a band as well as the song, 48 States . New episodes release each Monday.…
Send us a text Danny: And I see the jars of clay guys standing by the escalator. go over and say, Hey, we just came up with this new name. not going to call ourselves Villanelle anymore. And one of the guys, think it was Steve Mason says, that sounds like a rap group. Are you really going to do that? This week, Danny Stephens, Michael Johnston and Kevin Breuner discuss changing their name from Villanelle to Smalltown Poets and Gloria - the song they "stole" from their friends, The Waiting. New episodes release each Monday.…
Send us a text Michael: At the height of the cake fight, so in the shots where you see crumbs and wads of cake going in front of us as a band, there were two 12-year old boys, one on either side of the stage, who had been given full reign and full permission to throw cake at our faces to just go nuts.... From the meteoric start of their Ardent debut album to cakewalks and food fights, Michael, Kevin and Danny talk through some challenges - and joys - of making the unintended worship song, There Is Only You . New episodes release each Monday.…
Send us a text Kevin: You know, we just kind of went our separate ways. It was like a scene out of a movie.... The making of a band from their early days as Villanelle to finding Kevin at the Gospel Music Association's GMA Week. Michael talks about the inspiration behind the album's biggest hit, "Anything Genuine" , which also appeared on the 1999 WOW compilation album. New episodes release each Monday.…
Send us a text MICHAEL: So that combined with just an honest wrestling of a 19, 20 year old, you know, am I all in on this? Is this something that I'm okay with going public with, you know? The Christian alt. rock band from Tifton, GA speaks about getting their start as Villanelle where Ardent Records president, Dana Key found the opening track, "Call Me Christian". New episodes release each Monday.…
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Send us a text In August of 2023 I released a podcast series with Jennifer Knapp, going song-by-song through her 1997 major label debut album, "Kansas" with Gotee Records. After the release of the series, Jennifer announced she was going back into the studio to re-record the album in its entirety for the 25th anniversary. In this special episode, we circled back around with Jennifer to discuss, not song-by-song necessarily, but the overall making of the new album.…
Send us a text In this special episode, we interviewed Joel Smallbone , one half of the CCM pop duo For King & Country to discuss everything from 80's christian rock bands to 90's pop music. All of which provided the inspiration for the soundtrack to their autobiographical film, Unsung Hero .
Send us a text I keep saying yes because people keep asking me to play. And that's kind of all you ever get to do. Like don't stop writing and doing what you're doing. And if people say yes, then go play. It's that simple. On this episode of the CCM Deep Dive Podcast, we hear from Jennifer's first manager and the man who introduced her to Toby Mac and Gotee Records - Byron Funk. Oh, and why Katy Perry owes her start to Jennifer as we wrap up our tour of Kansas.…
Send us a text It's a very vulnerable position to say, you know what, today I really actually need you to say out loud that you love me. You know, whatever, you know, you don't have to have done anything wrong or screwed anything up. Just sometimes we really have a need to say out loud, I need to audibly hear you say, I need to physically feel, I need you to show up right now to this place and tell me that I am loved. On this episode of the CCM Deep Dive Podcast, Jennifer Knapp recalls her inspiration from the gospels for her song, Hold Me Now along with her complicated relationship with the Contemporary Christian Music industry.…
Send us a text What does this revelation mean? That, those are like, in terms of like a theological study, I think that's the question you theologically ask is why is Christ significant and what is that a revelation of? On this episode of the CCM Deep Dive Podcast, Jennifer Knapp discusses how she was first introduced to Christ in college and the one song on the album she didn't write - Refine Me. We also hear from Kim Bontrager, the songwriter about the inspiration for Refine Me and how it made its way up to Ontario, Canada and a young, then unknown Justin Bieber.…
Send us a text Oh, it's a funny thing, you know, for a while there, you know when you walk into, well, for whatever it's worth, I'm about ready to answer that. This is what it's worth.... On this episode of the CCM Deep Dive Podcast, Jennifer Knapp discusses her thoughts on her #1 hit song, Romans (and singing the name, "Jesus" in the chorus), along with what it was like working with producer and Audio Adreneline frontman, Mark Stuart and the influence that Dave Matthews had on her playing style.…
Send us a text It's been a really wonderful gift back. And in fact, it's been a song for me that's been redemptive to kind of reclaiming my Christian catalog when I go out and play live.... This week we discuss Gotee Records, its label head Toby Mac and "keeping it in the family" along with the 6-1/2 minute prayer, " Martyrs & Thieves ".…
Send us a text I didn't intend on writing a song about that day because I just didn't feel it was the right thing to do or not and that song just came out of nowhere, it was a Godsend.... - Alan Jackson For this episode, we pause on our walk through "Kansas", Jennifer Knapp's debut album to remember the events of September 11, 2001 and the songs that came out from that day. Featuring: "Where Were You When The World Stopped Turning" by Alan Jackson "There She Stands" by Michael W. Smith "Hole In The World" by Eagles "Into The Fire" and "My City of Ruins" by Bruce Springsteen…
Send us a text But I never really kind of gave up the idea that to be influenced by something or to be able to say I am, I am open to and I've loved the gifts and the talents of somebody else is not, you know, is not an exchange of something that, I ever felt threatened...... we're all in some way kind of standing on the shoulders of giants. Jennifer's first band, "Captured", the song, "His Grace Is Sufficient" and her early musical influences this week on The CCM Deep Dive Podcast.…
Send us a text I still struggle just as much to say it with a new language, you know, it'll all work out, you know, if you trust in Jesus, and it just makes me kind of wanna roll my eyes... This week, Jennifer discusses, "In The Name" and why she has some issues with the song lyrically.
Send us a text I was literally sitting in front of my mirror with my guitar in my hand, trying to figure out how I was going to get through and understand any of this kind of, you know, putting on this new life of Christ kind of thing. Like it was just such alien language and so foreign to me still compelling enough to sort through it. This week, Jennifer discusses the inspiration behind, "Trinity" and why she started playing guitar.…
Send us a text H ow do I get rid of the things that the defenses and the walls and the right things that I really don't want to let go of? Why are you asking me to be vulnerable?.... This week, Jennifer talks about college, her quickly growing world view and of course, the 1999 Dove Award for Rock Song of the Year, " Undo Me ".…
Send us a text From her early days of touring around SE Kansas to dreams of Australia, we kick of the new season with Jennifer Knapp's major label debut album, Kansas while also discussing the first two songs on the album, the short, acapella song, "Faithful To Me" and the acoustic rocker, "Whole Again". New episodes release every Monday.…
Send us a text Sisters, authors and Sunday School teachers for West Point cadets, The Warner sisters journey in the late 19th century is the stuff of movies! Join us as we follow their tale in the writing of this beloved little hymn. (And what was their connection to not one, but TWO future presidents?)…
Send us a text Everyone thinks they know the story of the 19th century hymn, "It Is Well" but it's much richer and deeper than most realize. And there's a bit of a Paul Harvey's "Rest of the Story" in the years after. This is Anna's story.
Send us a text GORDON: we could do the VH-1, "but after the commercial,..." we could, ...but we're not.... We wrap up the first season with the guys from Whiteheart as we discuss the bonus track, "Set The Bridge On Fire" as well as catch up with what all the guys did after Freedom.
Send us a text Tommy: And not being able to get there was really tough for me. I don't think I expressed any of this ever, outwardly, or openly, but it was tough. It was tough to think that I wasn't,... it felt like I was saying goodbye to those folks because of this new life I had now... Tommy Sims and Mark Gershmehl reminisce about the making of the final album track, "I'll Meet You There". New episodes release every Monday.…
Send us a text GORDON: I've thought if you look at Jesus on the cross and tell him that, "Well, there's this one thing I've done that's too much" then you're looking at him there and saying, "So what you're doing is not enough." Before they talk about the message of forgiveness and healing in "Let It Go", the guys delve into the genius that is producer, Brown Bannister. From the way songs were chosen to the final order on the album, Brown's methods would be replicated by the guys for decades. New episodes release every Monday.…
Send us a text GERSH: We could come out of a song like The River Will Flow into the same Psalm and just that reflection to say, Whatever it is, whatever you're going through, whatever's going on in your life, listen for the river within you. It's strong. It's a beautiful place. And, and you know what, just be still there. Just be still and know.... In this episode, the guys discuss chocolate malts, Steven Curtis Chapman, the Psalms and producer, Brown Bannister playing to everyone's strengths within the group. New episodes release every Monday.…
Send us a text TOMMY: it's not only on the record, but it was like the loudest thing on the record at that point. And I thought, no way are they actually, uh, this, we're actually keeping this, you know, literally it was, it was, it was just a joke. I was trying to crack everybody up... In this episode, Gordon and Tommy discuss co-writing Invitation and Tommy's scatting while Rick chimes in with his thoughts on the energy the song provides for live shows. New episodes release every Monday.…
Send us a text RICK: So I'm like, you know, couple rooms away, running down the hall with a microphone in my hand all the way right up to his face! That was so stinking awesome. I LOVED doing that! In this episode, the topic turns to drummer, Chris McHugh! Gordon explains the inspiration behind Power Tools, Rick and Gersh recall the metal scream at the beginning and the episode ends with learning who the little girl's voice is at the end. New episodes release every Monday.…
Send us a text GORDON: Even in recent years walking off stage with somebody like Peter Frampton and seeing somebody running towards me, ... and it's somebody, "Man, that Freedom album, that Freedom album. Oh my gosh." In this episode, Gersh discusses the the message of Eighth Wonder, Gordon cracks about the charts and Rick pulls back the curtain a little on Christian radio. New episodes release every Monday.…
Send us a text GERSH: he's standing in front of the microphone and we hit a pause and we're rolling back the tape. And I say to him, "what did you just do?" And he says, "what?" I said, "what did you just do? "..... "I don't know. What did I just do?" In this episode, Gordon chokes up talking about God's blessings pouring out on his life, Rick talks about joining the band and Gersh talks about Rick's first time in the studio. New episodes released every Monday.…
Send us a text TOMMY: The idea that nobody's more or less important here. it is just the unit. What's important is that we just get the best music we can get,... In this episode, Gersh explains the inspiration behind the song, Tommy discusses how he came up with that silky smooth bass riff in the intro and Gordon ties in Roy Orbison and later, the Mississippi Blues. New episodes release every Monday.…
Send us a text GORDON: the older you get and the longer you live, the more you see God laughing and smiling and winking at you... In this episode, the guys discuss the second song on the album and Gordon discusses his family's musical lineage ( spoiler alert: his dad was kind of a big deal... ) New episodes release every Monday.…
Send us a text GERSH: well, the idea originally sprang we were in my apartment... We start with "Bye Bye Babylon", the opening track off of Whiteheart's 1989 album, Freedom but we also discuss how lead vocals are determined and how Rick Florian takes someone else's lyrics and makes it his own. ( Spoiler Alert: that was Gordon Kennedy singing lead on "Montana Sky" from their Emergency Broadcast album.) New episodes release every Monday.…
Send us a text GORDON: Speaking of nicest humans on the planet....BAM! hahahaha.... From their early start as the backing band for Bill and Gloria Gaither to working with esteemed CCM producer, Brown Bannister, the guys discuss their beginnings including touring their previous album, Emergency Broadcast . New episodes release every Monday.…
Send us a text Join us each Monday for the CCM Deep Dive Podcast as we go song by song and story by story through the 1989 album, Freedom with the guys from Whiteheart. The CCM Deep Dive Podcast 12-part series wherever you get your podcasts.
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