Building the developer cloud (Interview)

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source

Kurt Mackey is back for a deep dive into what it takes to build the developer cloud. Kurt joins Adam to discuss the alliance between companies and cloud, something Kurt refers to as the “Rebel Alliance,” cloud complexity vs usability, Fly’s future with Postgres and why they’ve waited, thoughts on Neon and Supabase (Kurt shares a hot take), and our CDN saga and plan to build a simple CDN on Fly called Pipely (still a Pipedream).

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• Kurt Mackey – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, X
• Adam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X

Show Notes:

• Founders Talk #80
• Tigris
• Upstash
• Supabase
• Neon
• Retool
• DHH shade on Fly
• Percona
• vantage.sh/cloud-cost-report
• Pipedream

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1. This week on The Changelog (00:00:00)

2. Sponsor: Sentry (00:01:05)

https://sentry.io/events/launch-week/

3. Start the show! (00:03:13)

4. NO limits (00:03:33)

5. Clouds doing similar things (00:05:29)

6. DHH threw shade at Fly (00:06:27)

7. Blazing fast SSDs (00:15:07)

8. Hot take!! (00:19:12)

9. Rebel Alliance (00:20:32)

10. Back to Tigris (00:24:50)

11. Sponsor: Coder (00:28:00)

https://coder.com/

12. Is it the Rebellion? (00:30:24)

13. We're building managed Postgres (00:32:43)

14. The Cloud business (00:35:53)

15. Tigris on Fly (00:41:35)

16. No more Alliance? (00:45:23)

17. We asked Render to do Postgres for us (00:46:21)

18. Sponsor: Eight Sleep (00:50:13)

https://www.eightsleep.com/changelog

19. Sponsor: Wix Studio (00:52:42)

https://www.wix.com/studio

20. Why punt on managed Postgres? (00:53:37)

21. BTS on Percona (00:57:15)

22. Exotic DB services (00:59:44)

23. Tigris'ing Neon on Fly (01:01:26)

24. Our CDN saga (01:02:17)

25. CDN on Fly (01:11:03)

26. How's your life? (01:16:48)

27. Divorce happened (01:20:10)

28. I build Lego and watch TV (01:22:19)

29. What's on your TV? (01:23:11)

30. Ray Porter and Bobiverse (01:25:05)

31. Fly's future? (01:28:05)

32. That's it (01:31:25)

33. Closing thoughts and stuff (01:31:50)