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Christian and Shai help founders tackle tough problems.
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Two indie SaaS founders—one just getting off the ground, and one with an established profitable business—invite you to join their weekly chats.
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Christian had a baby! and Chris is now a Kaggle Grandmaster.Kirjoittanut Chris Achard and Christian Genco
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The tax deal that includes a retroactive fix for domestic R&D expensing through 2025 passed the House! Now what?Kirjoittanut Michele Hansen & Colleen Schnettler
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Side Projects as Insurance Policies
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Michele chats with Kevin Griffin about how she sees side projects not only as a way to earn extra money but as insurance policies against losing your job or other unexpected life events. Subscribe to Multithreaded Income!Kirjoittanut Michele Hansen, Kevin Griffin
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ADHD + Entrepreneurship: A Conversation with Jesse J. Anderson, aka ADHD Jesse
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Michele chats with Jesse J. Anderson, aka ADHD Jesse, about finding out one has ADHD as an adult, entrepreneurship as people with ADHD, parenting an ADHD child, and more. Get Jesse's book "Extra Focus: The Quick-Start Guide to Adult ADHD" and join his newsletter: https://adhdjesse.com/ + Recommended book on parenting kids with ADHD: ADD Superparent…
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Muppets Treasure Island is the best movie ever. Chris just got back from Iceland and just re-started his masters classes. He's also considering getting a 3d printer (which Christian is definitely in favor of). Christian's experiments to find new customers aren't going great. Pricing is hard. Christian expands his consulting practice.…
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Christian continues to try to reach target customers for FileInbox. He's also still full steam ahead on the serverless transition before his baby gets here. Chris is prepping for a trip to Iceland.Kirjoittanut Chris Achard and Christian Genco
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124 Outsourcing development and working with people
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Christian tries to outsource some development tasks. Chris built a photo frame and is getting ready for a trip to Iceland.Kirjoittanut Chris Achard and Christian Genco
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Can the R&D Tax Credit Offset the Section 174 Changes?
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The R&D Tax Credit still exists, and it might be able to help you offset the Section 174 changes. Michele talks to R&D Tax Credit expert Jonathan Cardella of Strike Tax Advisory to learn more. Learn more: What is the R&D Tax Credit? IRS R&D Tax Credit rules Please note: This podcast is for informational purposes only and is not tax advice. Talk to …
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123 Setting aside SaaS for Consulting
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Chris is prepping for a couple of photo trips. Christian is trying to figure out how to talk to his ideal FileInbox customer. He's also wondering how much consulting to do and what that means for his time working on his own SaaS.Kirjoittanut Chris Achard and Christian Genco
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Chris and Christian both went on vacation. Chris is getting back into Photography. Christian is creating user personas for FileInbox, and is getting more consulting gigs too. correction at 27:45 NVIDIA doesn't even manufacture their own GPU chips! They rely on 3rd party manufacturers too. 0:00 Fun number fact 122: Ozymandias 8:13 Chris vacation upd…
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121 Advantages of Firebase
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Chris is prepping for a trip to Iceland. Christian is trying to figure out exactly who is the target customer for fileinbox. Christian then tries to convince Chris that Firebase is the best platform on which to build a SaaS.Kirjoittanut Chris Achard and Christian Genco
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120 Estimating how long features are going to take + All the baby gear
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Christian has been looking at ALL THE BABY GEAR and has opinions. Also, he's working on the serverless transition for FileInbox and is struggling with estimating how long features will take.Kirjoittanut Chris Achard and Christian Genco
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119 Losing 17 pounds + Craft and Commerce takeaways
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Chris totally switches his diet and loses 17 pounds in 3 weeks. Christian went to Craft and Commerce and and takeaways for his business. He also figured out that his time estimates for FileInbox were way off.Kirjoittanut Chris Achard and Christian Genco
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118 How to Plan and Get Things Done, and How to Focus
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Chris finished the StableDiffusion Image competition, but realized he was seriously outmatched in GPU power. Christian has renewed energy for FileInbox after talking with Asia Orangio. We both walk through how to plan to get things done, and how to actually follow through on those plans. Christian is trying to hire an assistant and tries to figure …
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117 How often should you update dependencies? Also, an update on "Dude, where's my Bitcoin?"
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Christian wants to update Ruby and Rails, but has run into frustrating issues. Should he just... not upgrade? Chris gives up on the latest Kaggle competition, and is already eyeing another one. Also, Christian gets an update on the Bitcoin he lost.Kirjoittanut Chris Achard and Christian Genco
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116 Trial to paid conversion rates and Christian's big annoucement
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Christian has a big announcement! (@ 36 minutes). Chris is done with Linear Algebra, working on Kaggle, and thinking about what type of AI course to make. Christian discovers that FileInbox already has a lot of traffic, but his trial to paid conversion rate is too low.Kirjoittanut Chris Achard and Christian Genco
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115 Demystifying the AI Genie + Identifying a SaaS Vision
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Chris tries to figure out which AI course he should make first; i.e., what skills would give developers superpowers? Christian starts talking to Asia Orangio about FileInbox to see where it can improve. What is his backwards plan?Kirjoittanut Chris Achard and Christian Genco
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114 Microconf '23 takeaways
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(sorry about the weird jumpy video). We talk about Microconf and how we feel about the things we're doing as a result.Kirjoittanut Chris Achard and Christian Genco
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113 Attaboy.ai gets interesting. Also: TALK TO YOUR USERS.
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Attaboy.ai gets a bunch of users, and Christian is wondering how to charge for it. Chris tells Christian to talk to users of the video clipper in order to see what is valuable to them.Kirjoittanut Chris Achard and Christian Genco
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112 We freak out about AI. Also attaboy.ai becomes a thing
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Chris and Christian talk about using AI for therapy, and re-ignite attaboy.ai (which is now a thing! visit it and send it some texts). Also: AI coaches, the Pope in a puffer jacket, AI doctors, and how AI is coming for all of us. Also: a reminder to TALK TO CUSTOMERS!Kirjoittanut Chris Achard and Christian Genco
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111 How ChatGPT actually works
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Chris tries to explain how ChatGPT works. Christian tries to figure out the next steps for the video clipper.Kirjoittanut Chris Achard and Christian Genco
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110 Detecting malicious links with Tim Leland
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An update from Tim Leland (originally on episode 70) about his link shortener t.ly, and his journey creating a potentially new API for detecting malicious links. T.LY https://linkshieldapi.com/ Highlights: - How to launch a new API service - Doubling MRR in 6 months! - 5 ideas for how to use a malicious link API to create a new business…
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109 Social Media Marketing World
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Christian just got back from Social Media Marketing World and has LOTS of ideas. Chris gets a new computer but it arrived broken :(Kirjoittanut Chris Achard and Christian Genco
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108 What would it take to sell FileInbox?
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Christian continues to build the video clipper with Remotion and is experimenting with using ChatGPT to create good clips. We also talk about what it would take for him to sell FileInbox. Chris is considering buying another GPU for Kaggle.Kirjoittanut Chris Achard and Christian Genco
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Chris starts a new Kaggle competition using stable diffusion. Christian makes progress on how to use AI to automatically suggest clips for the video clipper.Kirjoittanut Chris Achard and Christian Genco
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Christian launched thevideoclipper and got it to $80 MRR! Chris comes up with another justification for buying his gpu.Kirjoittanut Chris Achard and Christian Genco
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105 "Just do it badly": Fear of Launching + Teaching to Learn
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Christian is about to launch thevideoclipper.com, but is feeling "The Resistance". Chris is learning linear algebra for his master's, and is trying to learn it by creating a plan to teach it. We talk about just "doing it badly" for both: and adjusting as we go.Kirjoittanut Chris Achard and Christian Genco
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03 Feel the fear and do it anyway, with Kelsey Petrich
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Christian and Shai help Kelsey choose which side project to focus on, and then dig deep into the fear of not being seen as an authority, and just how minimal you can make a Minimum Viable Product. Links: Kelsey's blog Kelsey on Twitter Other formats: Episode 3 transcript Episode 3 video Schedule your own What's Stopping You session by DMing @cgenco…
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104 Tech layoffs and how to learn AI
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Google did a 12k layoff. Chris started a new master's class about advanced linear algebra. Christian was on vacation, and was wondering the best way to learn AI in order to keep up with all the recent advances. He also helped his wife launch https://gymnastcode.com/Kirjoittanut Chris Achard and Christian Genco
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103 How to find consulting clients
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Christian is trying to find a few consulting clients to make some extra money. He's also made progress on the video clipper, and signed a new $99/mo account for file inbox! Chris just started a new linear algebra class and finished the gravity waves kaggle competition.Kirjoittanut Chris Achard and Christian Genco
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02 Cold outreach, and startups fulfilling our needs, with Hide Shidara
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Hide identifies fear of commitment when looking for a business problem to solve. The group talk about core needs and what happens when your business isn't fulfilling them. Links: The Mom Test by Rob Fitzpatrick Deploy Empathy by Michele Hansen Hide Shidara on Twitter Other formats: Episode 2 transcript Episode 2 video Schedule your own What's Stopp…
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102 First revenue for the video clipper
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Christian launches a new podcast! He also got a first customer for the video clipper! AND he's also thinking about making more course content, so we talk about how much money can be made with technical courses. Chris is almost done with the gravity wave Kaggle competition. Also: How long is the coastline of England?…
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101 How to backup all-the-things
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Chris talks about how work at Google is different than a small project or company. He's also working on the gravity waves kaggle competition. Christian tries to figure out how to backup all of his projects and files, and how to promote the video clipper.Kirjoittanut Chris Achard and Christian Genco
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What 2023 Brings for Colleen, Michele, and This Show
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Colleen and Michele talk about their hopes and plans for 2023, and make an announcement about this show. Huge thanks to all of our listeners who became Software Socialites and supported our show! We genuinely appreciate your enthusiasm and support. Chris from Chipper CI The Daringly Handsome Kevin Griffin And Mike from Gently Used Domains, who has …
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01 Don't fear the boats burning with Drew Bredvick
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Drew identifies fear in reaching out to talk to customers for registered.dev before he has a sellable product. Links: Y Combinator video: How to Get and Evaluate Startup Ideas Deploy Empathy by Michele Hansen Drew Bredvick on Twitter Other formats: Episode 1 transcript Episode 1 video Schedule your own What's Stopping You session by DMing @cgenco o…
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100 Dude, where's my email list?
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Chris is still getting used to his job at Google. Christian may have (or not?) lost his email list when a service went down.Kirjoittanut Chris Achard and Christian Genco
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The Forcing Function Episode: Launch Christian Genco's New SaaS
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Michele talked to Christian Genco on December 1 about what he needed to do to launch his new SaaS, TheVideoClipper, with a deadline of having it done before this episode was released. So... did he do it? Follow Christian! https://twitter.com/cgenco Check out TheVideoClipper: https://thevideoclipper.com/ Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve be…
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Michele and Colleen reflect on the year. Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show <3 Chris from Chipper CI The Daringly Handsome Kevin Griffin And Mike from Gently Used Domains, who has a nice personality Dave from Recut Max of OnlineOrNot Stefan from Talk to Stefan Brendan Andrade of Bright Bits Te…
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99 Dude, where's my crypto?
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Christian has some bad news about crypto. Chris is still working on the gravity competition.Kirjoittanut Chris Achard and Christian Genco
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Culture + Feedback = ???
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Michele shares her takeaways from the book The Culture Map and what it might mean for getting product feedback and building products across countries. Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters Chris from Chipper CI The Darin…
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Christian renames clips.marketing to thevideoclipper.com and is trying to figure out what he wants it to be. He also wonders if he should hire someone else to run fileinbox while he builds the video clipper. Chris is still working on the Kaggle gravity waves competition.Kirjoittanut Chris Achard and Christian Genco
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Colleen recaps her learnings from her first TinySeed meetup/MicroConf: Local Austin. Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters Chris from Chipper CI The Daringly Handsome Kevin Griffin And Mike from Gently Used Domains, who …
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97 MeetingPlace shuts down, Musk buys twitter, and crypto crashes
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Chris found out that the person who bought MeetingPlace shut it down :/. Christian is evaluating whether or not he should go all in on clips.marketing, or what to do about it vs FileInbox.Kirjoittanut Chris Achard and Christian Genco
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Colleen is ready to go all-in on Refine... and that means moving on from Simple File Upload. Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters New supporters! Lynn Romich from Konbini Chris from Chipper CI The Daringly Handsome Kevi…
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The Hammerstone Podcast is back
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Colleen and her business partner Aaron give an update on Hammerstone (Refine) in this crossover episode. Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters Lynn Romich from Konbini Chris from Chipper CI The Daringly Handsome Kevin Gr…
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96 When customer conversations feel bad
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Christian has a potential customer conversation for clips.marketing that didn't feel very great. Chris joins a kaggle competition about gravity waves.Kirjoittanut Chris Achard and Christian Genco
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Qualitative and Quantitative Data
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Talking to other entrepreneurs made Michele realize that she hasn't talked about interplay of qualitative *and* qualitative data enough. Michele and Colleen talk about what that means in the context of feature requests and high-touch sales. Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a …
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95 Consultancy vs Software as a Service
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Chris has his first full week of Google, and also got his prize money from the Kaggle competition! Christian wonders if he should focus more on clips.marketing as a consultancy, or as a service, or just focus on FileInbox.Kirjoittanut Chris Achard and Christian Genco
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Colleen's company was accepted to TinySeed, which means she now gets to work on Refine full time. That means she can finally make some hard decisions and push. (Note: Colleen and Michele were actually in the same place last week, so that's why the audio quality is different than normal!) Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software So…
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Christian tries to figure out where his customers are coming from, and how to get more signups for FileInbox. He also is trying to figure out what freemium features are best for clips.marketing. Chris starts his first week at Google. (timestamps coming later)Kirjoittanut Chris Achard and Christian Genco
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